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Deuteronomy 1:1-3:22
DEUTERONOMY 1:1-3:22 Deuteronomy 1:1-3:22
English Standard Version
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The Command to Leave Horeb
1 These are the words that Moses spoke to all Israel beyond the Jordan in the wilderness, in the Arabah opposite Suph, between Paran and Tophel, Laban, Hazeroth, and Dizahab. 2 It is eleven days' journey from Horeb by the way of Mount Seir to Kadesh-barnea. 3 In the fortieth year, on the first day of the eleventh month, Moses spoke to the people of Israel according to all that the Lord had given him in commandment to them, 4 after he had defeated Sihon the king of the Amorites, who lived in Heshbon, and Og the king of Bashan, who lived in Ashtaroth and in Edrei. 5 Beyond the Jordan, in the land of Moab, Moses undertook to explain this law, saying, 6 “The Lord our God said to us in Horeb, ‘You have stayed long enough at this mountain. 7 Turn and take your journey, and go to the hill country of the Amorites and to all their neighbors in the Arabah, in the hill country and in the lowland and in the Negeb and by the seacoast, the land of the Canaanites, and Lebanon, as far as the great river, the river Euphrates. 8 See, I have set the land before you. Go in and take possession of the land that the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give to them and to their offspring after them.’
Leaders Appointed
9 “At that time I said to you, ‘I am not able to bear you by myself. 10 The Lord your God has multiplied you, and behold, you are today as numerous as the stars of heaven. 11 May the Lord, the God of your fathers, make you a thousand times as many as you are and bless you, as he has promised you! 12 How can I bear by myself the weight and burden of you and your strife? 13 Choose for your tribes wise, understanding, and experienced men, and I will appoint them as your heads.’ 14 And you answered me, ‘The thing that you have spoken is good for us to do.’ 15 So I took the heads of your tribes, wise and experienced men, and set them as heads over you, commanders of thousands, commanders of hundreds, commanders of fifties, commanders of tens, and officers, throughout your tribes. 16 And I charged your judges at that time, ‘Hear the cases between your brothers, and judge righteously between a man and his brother or the alien who is with him. 17 You shall not be partial in judgment. You shall hear the small and the great alike. You shall not be intimidated by anyone, for the judgment is God's. And the case that is too hard for you, you shall bring to me, and I will hear it.’ 18 And I commanded you at that time all the things that you should do.
Israel's Refusal to Enter the Land
19 “Then we set out from Horeb and went through all that great and terrifying wilderness that you saw, on the way to the hill country of the Amorites, as the Lord our God commanded us. And we came to Kadesh-barnea. 20 And I said to you, ‘You have come to the hill country of the Amorites, which the Lord our God is giving us. 21 See, the Lord your God has set the land before you. Go up, take possession, as the Lord, the God of your fathers, has told you. Do not fear or be dismayed.’ 22 Then all of you came near me and said, ‘Let us send men before us, that they may explore the land for us and bring us word again of the way by which we must go up and the cities into which we shall come.’ 23 The thing seemed good to me, and I took twelve men from you, one man from each tribe. 24 And they turned and went up into the hill country, and came to the Valley of Eshcol and spied it out. 25 And they took in their hands some of the fruit of the land and brought it down to us, and brought us word again and said, ‘It is a good land that the Lord our God is giving us.’
26 “Yet you would not go up, but rebelled against the command of the Lord your God. 27 And you murmured in your tents and said, ‘Because the Lord hated us he has brought us out of the land of Egypt, to give us into the hand of the Amorites, to destroy us. 28 Where are we going up? Our brothers have made our hearts melt, saying, “The people are greater and taller than we. The cities are great and fortified up to heaven. And besides, we have seen the sons of the Anakim there.”’ 29 Then I said to you, ‘Do not be in dread or afraid of them. 30 The Lord your God who goes before you will himself fight for you, just as he did for you in Egypt before your eyes, 31 and in the wilderness, where you have seen how the Lord your God carried you, as a man carries his son, all the way that you went until you came to this place.’ 32 Yet in spite of this word you did not believe the Lord your God, 33 who went before you in the way to seek you out a place to pitch your tents, in fire by night and in the cloud by day, to show you by what way you should go.
The Penalty for Israel's Rebellion
34 “And the Lord heard your words and was angered, and he swore, 35 ‘Not one of these men of this evil generation shall see the good land that I swore to give to your fathers, 36 except Caleb the son of Jephunneh. He shall see it, and to him and to his children I will give the land on which he has trodden, because he has wholly followed the Lord!’ 37 Even with me the Lord was angry on your account and said, ‘You also shall not go in there. 38 Joshua the son of Nun, who stands before you, he shall enter. Encourage him, for he shall cause Israel to inherit it. 39 And as for your little ones, who you said would become a prey, and your children, who today have no knowledge of good or evil, they shall go in there. And to them I will give it, and they shall possess it. 40 But as for you, turn, and journey into the wilderness in the direction of the Red Sea.’
41 “Then you answered me, ‘We have sinned against the Lord. We ourselves will go up and fight, just as the Lord our God commanded us.’ And every one of you fastened on his weapons of war and thought it easy to go up into the hill country. 42 And the Lord said to me, ‘Say to them, Do not go up or fight, for I am not in your midst, lest you be defeated before your enemies.’ 43 So I spoke to you, and you would not listen; but you rebelled against the command of the Lord and presumptuously went up into the hill country. 44 Then the Amorites who lived in that hill country came out against you and chased you as bees do and beat you down in Seir as far as Hormah. 45 And you returned and wept before the Lord, but the Lord did not listen to your voice or give ear to you. 46 So you remained at Kadesh many days, the days that you remained there.
The Wilderness Years
2 “Then we turned and journeyed into the wilderness in the direction of the Red Sea, as the Lord told me. And for many days we traveled around Mount Seir. 2 Then the Lord said to me, 3 ‘You have been traveling around this mountain country long enough. Turn northward 4 and command the people, “You are about to pass through the territory of your brothers, the people of Esau, who live in Seir; and they will be afraid of you. So be very careful. 5 Do not contend with them, for I will not give you any of their land, no, not so much as for the sole of the foot to tread on, because I have given Mount Seir to Esau as a possession. 6 You shall purchase food from them with money, that you may eat, and you shall also buy water from them with money, that you may drink. 7 For the Lord your God has blessed you in all the work of your hands. He knows your going through this great wilderness. These forty years the Lord your God has been with you. You have lacked nothing.”’ 8 So we went on, away from our brothers, the people of Esau, who live in Seir, away from the Arabah road from Elath and Ezion-geber.
“And we turned and went in the direction of the wilderness of Moab. 9 And the Lord said to me, ‘Do not harass Moab or contend with them in battle, for I will not give you any of their land for a possession, because I have given Ar to the people of Lot for a possession.’ 10 (The Emim formerly lived there, a people great and many, and tall as the Anakim. 11 Like the Anakim they are also counted as Rephaim, but the Moabites call them Emim. 12 The Horites also lived in Seir formerly, but the people of Esau dispossessed them and destroyed them from before them and settled in their place, as Israel did to the land of their possession, which the Lord gave to them.) 13 ‘Now rise up and go over the brook Zered.’ So we went over the brook Zered. 14 And the time from our leaving Kadesh-barnea until we crossed the brook Zered was thirty-eight years, until the entire generation, that is, the men of war, had perished from the camp, as the Lord had sworn to them. 15 For indeed the hand of the Lord was against them, to destroy them from the camp, until they had perished.
16 “So as soon as all the men of war had perished and were dead from among the people, 17 the Lord said to me, 18 ‘Today you are to cross the border of Moab at Ar. 19 And when you approach the territory of the people of Ammon, do not harass them or contend with them, for I will not give you any of the land of the people of Ammon as a possession, because I have given it to the sons of Lot for a possession.’ 20 (It is also counted as a land of Rephaim. Rephaim formerly lived there—but the Ammonites call them Zamzummim— 21 a people great and many, and tall as the Anakim; but the Lord destroyed them before the Ammonites,[a] and they dispossessed them and settled in their place, 22 as he did for the people of Esau, who live in Seir, when he destroyed the Horites before them and they dispossessed them and settled in their place even to this day. 23 As for the Avvim, who lived in villages as far as Gaza, the Caphtorim, who came from Caphtor, destroyed them and settled in their place.) 24 ‘Rise up, set out on your journey and go over the Valley of the Arnon. Behold, I have given into your hand Sihon the Amorite, king of Heshbon, and his land. Begin to take possession, and contend with him in battle. 25 This day I will begin to put the dread and fear of you on the peoples who are under the whole heaven, who shall hear the report of you and shall tremble and be in anguish because of you.’
The Defeat of King Sihon
26 “So I sent messengers from the wilderness of Kedemoth to Sihon the king of Heshbon, with words of peace, saying, 27 ‘Let me pass through your land. I will go only by the road; I will turn aside neither to the right nor to the left. 28 You shall sell me food for money, that I may eat, and give me water for money, that I may drink. Only let me pass through on foot, 29 as the sons of Esau who live in Seir and the Moabites who live in Ar did for me, until I go over the Jordan into the land that the Lord our God is giving to us.’ 30 But Sihon the king of Heshbon would not let us pass by him, for the Lord your God hardened his spirit and made his heart obstinate, that he might give him into your hand, as he is this day. 31 And the Lord said to me, ‘Behold, I have begun to give Sihon and his land over to you. Begin to take possession, that you may occupy his land.’ 32 Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, to battle at Jahaz. 33 And the Lord our God gave him over to us, and we defeated him and his sons and all his people. 34 And we captured all his cities at that time and devoted to destruction[b] every city, men, women, and children. We left no survivors. 35 Only the livestock we took as spoil for ourselves, with the plunder of the cities that we captured. 36 From Aroer, which is on the edge of the Valley of the Arnon, and from the city that is in the valley, as far as Gilead, there was not a city too high for us. The Lord our God gave all into our hands. 37 Only to the land of the sons of Ammon you did not draw near, that is, to all the banks of the river Jabbok and the cities of the hill country, whatever the Lord our God had forbidden us.
The Defeat of King Og
3 “Then we turned and went up the way to Bashan. And Og the king of Bashan came out against us, he and all his people, to battle at Edrei. 2 But the Lord said to me, ‘Do not fear him, for I have given him and all his people and his land into your hand. And you shall do to him as you did to Sihon the king of the Amorites, who lived at Heshbon.’ 3 So the Lord our God gave into our hand Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people, and we struck him down until he had no survivor left. 4 And we took all his cities at that time—there was not a city that we did not take from them—sixty cities, the whole region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. 5 All these were cities fortified with high walls, gates, and bars, besides very many unwalled villages. 6 And we devoted them to destruction,[c] as we did to Sihon the king of Heshbon, devoting to destruction every city, men, women, and children. 7 But all the livestock and the spoil of the cities we took as our plunder. 8 So we took the land at that time out of the hand of the two kings of the Amorites who were beyond the Jordan, from the Valley of the Arnon to Mount Hermon 9 (the Sidonians call Hermon Sirion, while the Amorites call it Senir), 10 all the cities of the tableland and all Gilead and all Bashan, as far as Salecah and Edrei, cities of the kingdom of Og in Bashan. 11 (For only Og the king of Bashan was left of the remnant of the Rephaim. Behold, his bed was a bed of iron. Is it not in Rabbah of the Ammonites? Nine cubits[d] was its length, and four cubits its breadth, according to the common cubit.[e])
12 “When we took possession of this land at that time, I gave to the Reubenites and the Gadites the territory beginning at Aroer, which is on the edge of the Valley of the Arnon, and half the hill country of Gilead with its cities. 13 The rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, the kingdom of Og, that is, all the region of Argob, I gave to the half-tribe of Manasseh. (All that portion of Bashan is called the land of Rephaim. 14 Jair the Manassite took all the region of Argob, that is, Bashan, as far as the border of the Geshurites and the Maacathites, and called the villages after his own name, Havvoth-jair, as it is to this day.) 15 To Machir I gave Gilead, 16 and to the Reubenites and the Gadites I gave the territory from Gilead as far as the Valley of the Arnon, with the middle of the valley as a border, as far over as the river Jabbok, the border of the Ammonites; 17 the Arabah also, with the Jordan as the border, from Chinnereth as far as the Sea of the Arabah, the Salt Sea, under the slopes of Pisgah on the east.
18 “And I commanded you at that time, saying, ‘The Lord your God has given you this land to possess. All your men of valor shall cross over armed before your brothers, the people of Israel. 19 Only your wives, your little ones, and your livestock (I know that you have much livestock) shall remain in the cities that I have given you, 20 until the Lord gives rest to your brothers, as to you, and they also occupy the land that the Lord your God gives them beyond the Jordan. Then each of you may return to his possession which I have given you.’ 21 And I commanded Joshua at that time, ‘Your eyes have seen all that the Lord your God has done to these two kings. So will the Lord do to all the kingdoms into which you are crossing. 22 You shall not fear them, for it is the Lord your God who fights for you.’
Footnotes
- Deuteronomy 2:21 Hebrew them
- Deuteronomy 2:34 That is, set apart (devoted) as an offering to the Lord (for destruction)
- Deuteronomy 3:6 That is, set apart (devoted) as an offering to the Lord (for destruction); twice in this verse
- Deuteronomy 3:11 A cubit was about 18 inches or 45 centimeters
- Deuteronomy 3:11 Hebrew cubit of a man
English Standard Version (ESV)
The Holy Bible, English Standard Version. ESV® Text Edition: 2016. Copyright © 2001 by Crossway Bibles, a publishing ministry of Good News Publishers.
Thursday, June 23, 2022
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Wednesday, June 15, 2022
The Price of Gas and Friend/Enemy Distinction Written by: Pastor Andrew Isker
The Price of Gas and Friend/Enemy Distinction
Written by: Pastor Andrew Isker
We are now back to a national average gas price of $5.00/gallon. This is a subject of serious concern for almost everyone. Conservatives will (rightly) point to the Biden Administration’s hostility toward domestic oil production and distribution as the primary cause of the growing crisis, yet struggle to frame the problem in terms other than “the naïveté of environmentalist policy.” While the American ruling class is indeed dominated by extremely stupid people, its environmentalism is not “oh whoops we accidentally made gas cost way too much, who could have predicted that!”
Allowing it to be framed that way while giving conservative satirists plenty of low-hanging fruit to work with, is a massive mistake. It is easy to poke fun at the stupidity of people like Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and AOC. And that’s entirely the problem. These people are not sincerely-yet-naively attempting a solution to what they see as a truly apocalyptic disaster. It is a major mistake to assume they are ever operating in good faith. None of these people actually believe this stuff. They all have massive multimillion-dollar homes on coastlines they say will not exist by the end of the decade. It has been demonstrated ad nauseum that these people fly around in private jets, expending more fossil fuels in a single vacation than the average person will in their entire lives. You have to understand these are deeply cynical people. They do not care about the stuff they say they do. But what do they care about?
The most important filter to understand politics, especially politics in the Current Year, is Friend/Enemy distinction. Do not look at what these people say, look at what they do. And, look at who benefits from what they do or who is harmed by what they do. Who are the enemies of the occupational regime? Obviously, they will never explicitly state who it is they seek to destroy. Unless the pharmaceutical cocktail that allows the current president brief moments of lucidity is badly messed up, you are never going to hear him say “we want to totally impoverish and destroy the American middle and working class.” But every single day the actions of the regime speak as clearly as possible.
You need to stop giving these people the benefit of the doubt. They are not stupid, at least not the ones that truly matter. They are not misguided. They are not simply mistaken. They are intentionally malicious. It is not the naïveté of bleeding-heart liberals who get teary-eyed at the thought of punishing violent criminals that have caused the ruling regime to empty prisons and violent crime to exponentially increase. Yes, the naive liberal useful idiots who give them power are easily deluded by propaganda, but those who wield power know exactly what they are doing. They want the people they hate to be punished.
They want white women and their babies to be run over by violent criminals who never should have been let out of prison. They want violent criminals to be released back into the wild, they want police to be terrified to fight them, and they want you to go to prison if you ever have to defend yourself against them. These are not accidents caused by well-meaning-but-naive libs—this stuff is by design.
“Climate change” is no different. For his entire presidential campaign, Joe Biden read carefully crafted scripts about reducing the use of fossil fuels, cutting oil production, increasing “clean energy,” etc. That the cost of gasoline is nearly triple what it was when he took office is not some accident of the inscrutable forces of the free market. The people who rule the American people want gasoline and diesel to be unaffordable for most of the country. Regular people—with jobs and families and mortgages—those people are the enemies of the regime. They want things to be more expensive for you. They want you to suffer.
They not only don’t care if you are impoverished, but it also brings them sick pleasure. You are their enemy. They want to destroy you. This should have been evident during the Wuhan Flu, the Mostly Peaceful Summer of George, and the Most Secure Election in History. What were those events, in truth? Whether you believe those events were 100% organic or they were operations of alphabet agencies and aligned NGOs or (most likely) some mixture of both, it doesn’t matter. What matters is both who benefited from these events and who was harmed. Who benefited from the lockdowns?
Megacorporations, especially trillion-dollar hedge funds like Blackrock, which got the overwhelming majority of newly printed trillions (while you got a couple of tiny checks). In short, the greatest constituency of the regime benefitted from everything that happened in 2020. Every industry got hundreds of billions for almost nothing, Big Pharma got a huge boon, and the military-industrial complex now likewise gets to cash in on an absurdly expensive (even by War on Terror standards) proxy war with Russia. Everyone who was already filthy rich got even richer, all at your expense. Wall Street, Big Tech, Big Pharma, and especially billionaire retailers like the Waltons and Bezos raked in the dough while their competitors were shut down.
And who was harmed by the events of 2020 (and beyond)? The greatest enemy of the regime, that’s who: the middle class, the people who have spent their entire lives toiling away to build businesses that provide services and goods and jobs for their neighbors, who donate to the things that make their communities worth living in, churches, local sports teams, youth activities, and service organizations. The regular people who have a stake in the places they live, who love their country and their neighborhoods, who want to live in peace and quiet, who simply want good order. That is who the regime hates the most.
The few Norman Rockwell Americans who have the audacity to still exist. The regime was happy to allow your businesses to be locked down, while their billionaire friends could stay open. The regime was happy to allow organized violent revolutionaries to burn down your neighborhoods with almost no arrests and no investigation into the machinations behind the scenes. All of this while spending years holding men without trial in solitary confinement for walking through wide-open doors to the U.S. Capitol and spending years investigating an understandably overly exuberant protest of a fraudulent election. You need to filter everything that happens today through the friend/enemy distinction and politics becomes absolutely crystal clear.
This is why it cost so much to fill up your car and your grocery cart. The people in power hate you and your family. They are stupid and incompetent, but even worse, they are malicious. If you are a normal person, who just wants to have a job and home and family, who loves his country and loves his God, the people in power do not want you to exist. They want to make life as hard as possible for you. They do not want you to have children. And if you somehow can even have children, they want the children you do have to be groomed into disgusting freaks. You have an enemy that hates you. Do not ever forget it.
But you also have friends. The good news is that more and more people are starting to see they no longer live in the America they grew up in. More people are beginning to see that the America of “at the end of the day everyone is an American on the same team and we just disagree about some things” is dead. And while this is a great tragedy it is a necessity. We have to realize the thing we love is gone before we can begin to bring it back. And many people are now beginning to have that realization.
This is the very first step in things being made right again. Now you can organize around this principle, knowing who your friends are and who is on your side. From there you can build churches, build neighborhoods and towns, build communities dedicated to rebuilding Christian civilization, communities that will have the strength to weather together the difficult years to come. One in which you can recognize who your friends are and who your enemies are, only then will you have the ability to fight and build.
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Wednesday, January 5, 2022
I uninstalled the DEB and installed the 3.42.2 Flatpak,
Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 2:41 AMOn Wed, 2021-12-15 at 17:42 -0600, Nathan Parker via evolution-list
wrote:
> Is there something else I need to try or something I need to run by
> my email hosting provider?
Hi,
similar as in my first message in this thread, just the command is
slightly different:
$ CAMEL_DEBUG=imapx:io flatpak run org.gnome.Evolution
The log contains raw communication between the server and the
evolution. It does contain a lot of private information, in a free form
or encoded in some blobs. Make sure you don't expose anything private.
Even if the blob won't be readable by a human, it can be read by a
machine, thus remove those if unsure.
I won't need the whole log too. Simply run Evolution, wait until the
output on the console stops, then send a message and include only the
part when the message had been sent.
By the way, will it fail also when you copy a message from an On This
Computer account to the Sent folder in the affected account, please?
That should use the same function as the message send. Just in case, I
really mean from the On This Computer, because using a message in a
folder of the same account can use different ways to copy the message.- Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 7:06 PMThanks for the followup. I ran:$ CAMEL_DEBUG=imapx:io flatpak run org.gnome.EvolutionThis came back when sending the message:[imapx:A] I/O: 'A00019 OK IDLE completed (new feature)* 4863 EXISTS* 0 RECENT* OK [UIDVALIDITY 1548904006] Uid epoch* OK [UIDNEXT 12793] Predicted next uid* FLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Draft \Seen $Forwarded )* OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Draft \Seen $Forwarded )] Limited'[imapx:A] I/O: 'A00021 APPEND Sent (\SEEN) "17-Dec-2021 00:00:23 +0000" {954}'[imapx:A] I/O: ''[imapx:B] I/O: 'B00022 SELECT INBOX'[imapx:B] I/O: '* 51 EXISTS* 0 RECENT* OK [UNSEEN 42] first unseen message* OK [UIDVALIDITY 1548898140] Uid epoch* OK [UIDNEXT 117245] Predicted next uid* FLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Draft \Seen $Forwarded )* OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Draft \Seen $Forwarded )] Limited'[imapx:B] I/O: 'B00022 OK [READ-WRITE] SELECT completed'[imapx:B] I/O: 'B00023 IDLE'[imapx:B] I/O: '+ idling'This came back when moving a message from On My Computer to the Sent folder on the IMAP server:[imapx:B] I/O: ''[imapx:B] I/O: 'DONE'[imapx:B] I/O: ''[imapx:B] I/O: 'B00023 OK IDLE completed (new feature)'[imapx:B] I/O: 'B00024 SELECT Sent'[imapx:B] I/O: 'B00023 OK IDLE completed (new feature)* 4863 EXISTS* 0 RECENT* OK [UIDVALIDITY 1548904006] Uid epoch* OK [UIDNEXT 12793] Predicted next uid* FLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Draft \Seen $Forwarded )* OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Draft \Seen $Forwarded )] Limited'[imapx:B] I/O: 'B00025 APPEND Sent (\SEEN) "17-Dec-2021 00:00:23 +0000" {954}'[imapx:B] I/O: ''These error messages came back when I first started running the command and Evolution first launched, if this helps pinpoint anything:Gtk-Message: 17:59:48.157: Failed to load module "xapp-gtk3-module"(evolution.bin:26): e-mail-engine-WARNING **: 17:59:49.016: Failed to add service 'Sendmail' (sendmail): No provider available for protocol “sendmail”Gtk-Message: 17:59:49.541: Failed to load module "xapp-gtk3-module"Gtk-Message: 17:59:49.831: Failed to load module "xapp-gtk3-module"Let me know if you need more tests run.Thanks!Nathan ParkerOn Thursday 12/16/2021 at 1:41 am, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote:
On Wed, 2021-12-15 at 17:42 -0600, Nathan Parker via evolution-list
- Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 2:03 AMOn Fri, 2021-12-17 at 01:06 +0100, Nathan Parker via evolution-list
wrote:
> [imapx:A] I/O: 'A00021 APPEND Sent (\SEEN) "17-Dec-2021 00:00:23
> +0000" {954}'
> [imapx:A] I/O: ''
> [imapx:B] I/O: 'B00022 SELECT INBOX'
Hi,
did you remove/redacted any of the above lines, please? After the
APPEND, a stream of 954 bytes was supposed to be written to the server.
I guess from that the server did not respond in an expected way.
Looking at the RFC3501, the APPEND example [1] shows a "+" server
response being expected, to confirm it's ready to receive the data.
It would be interesting to know whether other folders behave the same.
When you search the log there are CAPABILITY/CAPABILITIES requests and
responses, where the server sometimes advertises information about
itself, like what it is and its version.
Bye,
Milan
[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc3501.html#page-47 - Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 8:38 PMThanks for the followup. I didn’t remove/redact any of the above lines. I could re-run the test and send you the link to the complete log if you need to see it, that way you’d have access to the log to search on. I’ver found a way to run the test without exposing too much personal information, so I’d be willing to try that and send you back the full log if need be (I could provide a link to download it so I’m not dumping the entire log contents here.
Thanks!Nathan Parker - Mon, Jan 3 at 4:22 AMOn Fri, 2021-12-17 at 19:38 -0600, Nathan Parker via evolution-list
wrote:
> I didn’t remove/redact any of the above lines.
Hi,
okay, no need to send the whole log then.
Could you search for the CAPABILITY/CAPABILITIES line, to see whether
the server advertises what it is, please?
Also, try to copy a message from a different account to another folder
of the affected account, and also to the Sent folder of the affected
account. I suppose the copy (the APPEND command) will fail with the
Sent folder, but I'm not sure whether it'll work or not with other than
the Sent folder. - Mon, Jan 3 at 4:16 PMI don't recall seeing that line in the log (but I don't have the log in front of me at the moment).When I disable storing items in a Sent folder, the error message goes away (it just doesn't store my sent mail). Since this is my personal inbox, should I proceed with the re-test, or should I just not opt to store sent messages? Since this is my personal inbox, it isn't quite as urgent.My email hosting provider did the same tests, but they couldn't duplicate my error.Thanks!
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Nathan Parker - Tue, Jan 4 at 1:29 AMOn Mon, 2022-01-03 at 15:16 -0600, Nathan Parker via evolution-list
wrote:
> Since this is my personal inbox, should I proceed with the re-test,
> or should I just not opt to store sent messages? Since this is my
> personal inbox, it isn't quite as urgent.
Hi,
it's up to you. I'd like to verify whether regular message addition
(the APPEND command) reproduces the problem, both in the Sent folder
and in other folders on that account, but that's probably the most we
can do about it.
Alternatively try the same with another mail client, like Claws Mail,
Geary or Thunderbird. The important part is to use the APPEND command,
because copy messages between folders of the same account can use other
commands to do the job. It's also possible the other clients will
ignore the empty line response (which had been shown in your logs).
By the way, you can store Sent messages in other folder/account, like
under the On This Computer/Sent folder. No need to lost the history. - Tue, Jan 4 at 9:58 PMSounds good. I can go ahead and proceed with the test so you can see what's going on.If you can remind me of what Terminal command I need to run and what specific steps I need to take for this, that would be great. In the troubleshooting steps I performed with my email hosting provider on this, much of our previous conversation was wiped out, so I'm not seeing some of our past conversation history on the commands/steps I need to run.Thanks!
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Nathan Parker - Wed, Jan 5 at 8:17 AMOn Tue, 2022-01-04 at 20:57 -0600, Nathan Parker via evolution-list
wrote:
> If you can remind me of what Terminal command I need to run and what
> specific steps I need to take for this, that would be great. In the
> troubleshooting steps I performed with my email hosting provider on
> this, much of our previous conversation was wiped out, so I'm not
> seeing some of our past conversation history on the commands/steps I
> need to run.
Hi,
it seems you run a development version under Flatpak. I hope you are
aware that the development version can have its own bugs. Any early
testing is appreciated, I only wanted to mention it.
If you have more IMAP accounts configured, then disable all but the
affected account. That will help to not mix debugging output from
multiple accounts. Once done, close Evolution, then run from a
terminal:
$ flatpak kill org.gnome.Evolution
$ CAMEL_DEBUG=imapx:io flatpak run org.gnome.Evolution
Once the output stops adding, drag a message from an On This Computer
folder to one of the IMAP account's folder. You should see in the log
an APPEND command, whose progress and result is important. After that
drop a message into the IMAP's Sent folder, whether it'll fail or work
as when sending messages. The debug log should have added another
APPEND command. Make sure you won't expose anything private from the
log. Even if you cannot decipher some blobs, they can be decoded by a
machine and expose your credentials or any other thing, thus, if
unsure, rather replace the blobs with XXXXX or similar.
Bye,
Milan
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